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What I learned about women from watching WC 101

Women are there for you to enjoy! One of the good things about getting released from prison is that you get to use women. You can stare at them all you want, and if you put in the effort and flirt a bit with them, they'll try to please you and do stuff for you. Because that's what women are for.

Women's emotions don't matter, except for when they become a problem to you. A good wife will keep her emotions from bothering you, that's what makes her good. Sometimes women are just too emotional though, and that's when you have to solve the problem. If you just apply yourself to the problem, you can make it go away. You don't need to waste time during your marriage on getting to know your wife, because if she's a good wife, most of the time she won't trouble you with her emotions. On the rare occasions when you have to deal with the problem, you can just search through her possessions, and buy her a luxury item she wants.

Women are yours. If you're considering dating a woman, you should stalk her to see if she's good enough. She'll thank you later. If your wife is being problematical and having emotions, you should stalk her to try to solve the problem. She'll thank you for it. If a woman leaves you, you should stalk her and try to take her back. If a woman suspects you wouldn't stalk her if she left you, she'll think you don't value her as a possession, and then she might get emotional.

Women are at your disposition at all times. The only reason a woman has to turn you down is if she's a lesbian. Lesbianism is a waste of a sexy woman. Lesbians are lesbians just to thwart you. Lesbians want to be like you and wear hats and suits, because they know that you are better than women, but they also want to look sexy for you, as is only right. Even though you don't get to have sex with lesbians, they are there for you to stare at as much as you want.

Women come in two types: One type of woman is young, slim, has long, shiny, straight hair, wears a lot of make-up, wears figure-hugging clothing, wears high heels, flirts with you, and is there for you to stare at. The other type of woman is invisible, except when doing you a favor.

Women care about dumb stuff. You wouldn't care about your wedding anniversary, of course. The thought of a wife giving her husband a present on their anniversary, or a couple making plans together is just ludicrous, because why would you want to celebrate your relationship? But women sometimes have emotions for dumb reasons, and you need to solve that before it becomes a bigger problem.

Women, I tell you. They're a nuisance to deal with, but we still want to fuck them. Ammirite?

I also learned a politically correct tip from watching WC:

Don't say the d-word, it's offensive to little people! But it's okay to say "enano", because Hispanics don't watch TV, and if they do, who cares what they think anyway.

(Oh yeah, you better believe I'm going to be watching this show for the ho-yay.)

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You know, I joined this comm in order to enjoy the show with others who enjoy it. Why are you here?

I joined this comm in order to enjoy the show with others who enjoy it.

You certainly don't seem to be enjoying it much, based on this post.

You say that like sexism is a bad thing.

I found this community hoping to find other fans of the show. Squeeing is nice, but I think intelligent analysis is not out of place in fandom, either. While I don't agree with the post, I did find it very interesting to rewatch the episode looking for examples the post's author used to construct her argument. The internet is full of many people with even more viewpoints; if I only want to see a particular opinion I'd have to have my internet filtered before I read or else I'd risk stumbling on something I didn't like.

Great list, heh. I didn't see all this myself on the first go because I was too busy being delighted, and yet, all of it is there, isn't it. Yeah.

Nothing says we can't see the good and the bad both! Thank you for your post. :)

Thank you! I was delighted as well. It's been a long time since I felt this enthusiastic about a new show after having seen just a single episode. As a fan of Supernatural and Stargate: Atlantis, I have a lot of practice seeing both the good and the bad.

I enjoyed the show and your post!

I was pleased that lesbians existed, although Lesbians want to be like you and wear hats and suits, because they know that you are better than women, ha yeah.

I want there to be more to it than this. You know? I want there to be some explanation for the thing with Kate that's less awful. She and Neal were partners in crime and she walked off with millions of dollars from his last escapade that he didn't get caught at. OR SOMETHING.

I don't know what possibly makes it okay for an FBI agent to sic Homeland Security on his wife for anniversary ideas, though.

Thank you!

I'm really pleased that lesbians exist in the show as well. I'm worried it's going to be fan service for straight male viewers, and I'm hopeful we'll have some representation by a cool and interesting character. No matter what happens, we'll be free to write it right in fic :-)

I think, based on the masculine hand wearing the ring we saw on her shoulder in the ATM photo that Kate was taken by another man, which of course will totally, retroactively make the stalking not only okay but good when Neal finds out. See, he was right not to assume she was the sort of awful woman who thinks she is her own self and can break up with a man and move out without his permission!

But I like your explanation a lot better. I'm spoiler free, so I haven't read anything about the show, not even who the writers are. I think it's possible some of the other writers who are not Jeff Eastin will have a healthier view of stalking, and will try to redeem the character. The thing where he doesn't want to use guns does seem to indicate that they want him to be a thief and an opportunist, yes, but not someone who hurts people. (I think stealing from someone does hurt them, but I can see how Neal might feel differently.)

As for Peter, I don't think they've showed his and Elizabeth's relationship in a very good light. But if we overlook the misuse of public resources, maybe the stalking is a fully consensual, fun and freaky game they like to play? She did seem to think that Neal stalking Kate was the best and most romantic thing ever. No, seriously, I don't think there's any way of not having Peter be skeevy in canon. We'll just have to hope he sees the error of his ways, and resolves to do better.

I'm spoiler free

Me too! This is all spec!

I think, based on the masculine hand wearing the ring we saw on her shoulder in the ATM photo that Kate was taken by another man, which of course will totally, retroactively make the stalking not only okay but good when Neal finds out. See, he was right not to assume she was the sort of awful woman who thinks she is her own self and can break up with a man and move out without his permission!

Do you think it's possible that there was something going on she was scared of that she actually *did* ask Neal for help with, and when his reaction was "but i've only got x much time left on my sentence" she got pissed and left to handle it on her own, while he started freaking out and trying to get out in time to help her? There seemed to be recognition from Neal about the hand which might support the idea that he already knew. I'm not sure it's possible to fit this in around the "wine bottle is goodbye" though.

It's frustrating that's there's so little to work with, and from the way the show is laid out I have a feeling that we'll never really get confirmation on who knew what when, so nothing that'll neatly clear up the stalking charges.

But if we overlook the misuse of public resources, maybe the stalking is a fully consensual, fun and freaky game they like to play?

I think I shall choose to subscribe to this theory, with the addendum that it is mutual and Emily regularly reads all of his case files and expense reports.

Hmm, yes, the wine bottle does seem to be a goodbye. But Neal could be misinterpreting it, or lying to Peter about what it means. Or Kate could be cutting ties with Neal because she wants to protect him.

It is mutual and Emily regularly reads all of his case files and expense reports.

LOL.

Have you seen ep 2 yet?

Yep! Apparently there was a message! Only he didn't get it. So still crazy stalker lover.

I thought of you when Neal and Mozzie started talking about her going after the cache in California :-D

Well, he didn't get the message when she came to see him, but I could wank it that he subconsciously registered that something was off with her and she was trying to tell him something important. Then when he got out and went home, he saw the bottle, and was so shocked and upset about what he saw as a break-up message that he forgot about his other misgivings.

But that still makes his searching for her so intently rather iffy. The directions to the cache weren't true, so it's not like he's got anything to lose by letting her go, other than his possessive prive :-|
Unless it's an honor among thieves/set an example thing. I could go for a hate-love ship :-D

I'm really tired of overwhelmingly negative posts like this in brand new comms for brand new shows.

The irony of your choice of username is pretty hilarious, too.

I don't know why you would say my entry was negative. Don't you like looking at hot women? Have you considered if White Collar is really the show for you, if you can't appreciate a good pair of tits and some long, toned legs?

I don't understand why you think Nora Charles is an ironic user name. I mean, yeah, she was kind of a mouthy uppity bitch, but take a good look at my icon and tell me you wouldn't tap that!

There was nothing positive in this post. It was extremely negative, derisive, and snide, as are your comments to anyone who doesn't agree with you.

No one has disagreed with my posts, though some people have implied that I'm enjoying the show "wrong". If I like the show, and like writing episode reactions/discussion posts, and this is a comm for people who like the show, and writing episode reactions/discussion posts is encouraged here, then how am I doing it wrong?

And you still haven't told me in what way I'm being "negative", so I don't know how you expect me to do better. Or maybe you don't, maybe you just like to point out stuff you don't like on the internet. Well, to each their own.

No one has said "right" or "wrong," but when your "discussion" consists of pointing out -- heavily sarcastically and disparagingly -- the things you feel are wrong with the show and characters, and then posting snide replies to comments that didn't agree with you, you're pretty much the only person having fun.

So, while your posts aren't violating any comm rules, the way you're choosing to participate is discouraging others from doing so.

1) I have pointed out things I think are wrong with the show.

True. I am a fan of the show, and this is a comm for fans of the show. The default assumption is that we like it. I don't know about you, but I have read a lot of episode reactions and squee both here on DW and on LJ. The common reaction seems to be that the show is fun, stylish and well cast.

I truly do not understand how my pointing out one single aspect of the show I find questionable, the obvious sexism, can feel like overwhelming negativity to anyone, or make them feel that speaking up about what they do like about the show would be cause for shock and disapproval.

When I labeled my post "discussion", I furthermore did not mean to mislead you into thinking I was writing an academic "discussion" of the type where you weigh pros and cons and contrast different opinions, and I don't know why you would expect that kind of post in a fan comm. I meant discussion post in the everyday sense, where one person states their own opinion, and then another person answers with their opinion.

2) I have used sarcasm.

Yes. So? Are you criticizing my tone? Are we going to play a fun game of silencing bingo?

3) I have disparaged... something.

Do you have a problem with me disparaging sexism?
Or do you feel that pointing out what the show is about is somehow disparaging? Well, brace yourself, here goes: White Collar is about a criminal and a cop working together, and the show is milking the clash of personalities and world views as much as it can. How did that make you feel?

4) There have been comments from people who didn't agree with me.

Have there? Because I've only received comments from

dragonfly, who criticized my tone but did not contradict anything I've said;

devilc, who criticized my tone but did not contradict anything I've said; you, who criticized my tone but did not contradict anything I've said;

anatsuno and

jmtorres who mainly agreed with me, and did not contradict anything I've said;

snakeling who might disagree with me but didn't have time to contradict anything I've said; and last but not least

solaciolum who, yes, did disagree with me and contradict me. So there has been a comment, if not "comments", disagreeing with me.

5) My replies to comments have been snide.

My reply to

dragonfly was almost word for word the same as theirs to me. I believe that is equally snide. Will you be sending them a comment later, telling them to watch their tone?

My reply to

devilc was a dry statement of the obvious, just as theirs was to me. I believe that is equally snide. Will you be sending them a comment later, telling them to watch their tone?

My replies to your snide, negative, derisive comments have been asking you to explain to me why you object to my posts, because I assume you're not hypocritical enough to disapprove of snide, negative and derisive comments just on principle.

My reply to

solaciolum, the only commenter who disagreed with me, was friendly and polite.

6) I'm pretty much the only person having fun.

And what are

anatsuno,

jmtorres,

snakeling and

solaciolum, chopped liver? You don't have to like meta just because I do. Please feel free to filter my posts, I won't be offended. But don't pretend to speak for everyone when you tell me my posts are not appreciated.

7) My behavior is silencing others by discouraging them from participating.

Yes, I'm sure they're all shaking in their britches, thinking that if they dare post anything to this comm I will send them snide, negative, derisive comments telling them I disapprove of their tone.

Enjoy the rest of your day. :)

Thank you :-)
You too!

I don't get your comment...it's like you have seen a completly different episode. Wasn't one of the main point of the whole anniversary thing that relationships ARE work and that you WON'T find the right solution in the Visa Bills but by remembering what's really important to her? That anniversaries are important, especially if you have to make up for countless times you got caught up in your work?

And yes, Neal is an all around charmer (with woman AND men)...that's part of the character. But how you can apply this on males in general is beyond me. I'm actually quite pleased how being lesbian is portrayed in the show. It comes over with an by you leave, both woman shown are distinctive female and not acting manly at all.

I'm also pleased how woman got portrait in generall...all strong characters, all have their own career, all are intelligent and independent.

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